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The Day of the Dead 2020 Discussion

foscock

Reservist
What you believe or don't believe isn't that important. 2nd spin after buying 200 nugs has been there for ages, surprised that's hard for you to understand. Saying you need to do it on each server is stating the obvious. It has always been that way, why do you think it should be changed just because you want it?
 

RaiderTr

Staff Sergeant
So you are fine with Pay to Play/Win.
That's ironic you know, not being happy with InnoGames policies but defending them still.

Isn't this what hypocrisy all about?
Saying you need to do it on each server is stating the obvious
Not if you start multiple servers and then buy Nuggets in one of them.
Didn't know that? Too bad.
It has always been that way
Oh really.. So it can't be changed just because of that? :D
Status-quo boomers be like.

Ps. It also means you already had its perks for years.
why do you think it should be changed just because you want it?
Like you said, what I "believe/think" is irrelevant :D
But guess what, it's not about me. Just because I'm the only one saying it doesn't mean I'm the only one requesting it. (Cough, https://forum.beta.the-west.net/ind...y-of-the-dead-2020-discussion.3605/post-38054, cough)


So.. Why do you think it shouldn't be just because you are so touchy about it?
 
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RaiderTr

Staff Sergeant
Alternative scenario: Loot collection

Something like:
1st and 2nd stages were success but 3rd wasn't and u hit the reaper.

So you either bribe the 3rd stage and move on, OR you accept it to get the rewards of 1st and 2nd stages (with some failure flowers)

That way doubling bribe costs will be justified and people with "bad luck" (or "rigged RNG") won't be as frustrated.
 

*Colonel*

Private
For days on my 2 servers I've been getting reaper on either 1st or 2nd stage with my "free" cards. This is crazy..
I have total 4 items from "free" spins so far, while last year it was only 1, I guess we call that %300 improvement?!

I mean idk how this stupid event averages %66.66. Does some people win all the time?
I've already donated 30k nuggets on different servers and the improvement is real, especially in terms of reaching the final stage
 

lulumcnoob

Staff Sergeant
Former Team Member
I've already donated 30k nuggets on different servers and the improvement is real, especially in terms of reaching the final stage
Glad to hear the gambling is good if you spend 500 euros on it.

 
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RaiderTr

Staff Sergeant
30K nuggets LOL
That's proving my point, if anything.

I suppose InnoGames forgot to mention that "for Nugget munchers" part when saying it's improved

Gotta love how we Tanks must spend tons of nuggets to barely reach "freebie" Damagers though.
 

Leones

Master Sergeant
Former Team Member
It's still a matter of luck, I have managed to reach the last stage with one of my free spins but hit death plenty of times on the first try as well. 33% to fail is still pretty significant and it can happen multiple times in a row.
 

lulumcnoob

Staff Sergeant
Former Team Member
The luck element is always going to exist in loot-boxes, the problem with DotD is and always has been that death means you don't win anything, It's the singular event where you can win "nothing" as a prize (and tier 1 is also a "nothing" prize-pool, so you're always going to try at least two cards), and it's exclusively the gambling event that brings Tank sets (recent years it was decided that this means excluding the new tank sets from Christmas in the process, profoundly exacerbating the issue). And there's only a 1/8 chance to win tier 5, your previous losses and wins meaning nothing towards your future results.

Regardless of the gambling, and the inherent unfairness on the vast majority of the player-base the events present (especially for the most major piece of content in the entire game, the free to play players), once again I'd like to express my profound disappointment that 2020 power creep has entered a world less than a month old and completely ruined it. I strongly believe new worlds can be extremely fun for extended periods with some planning, common sense and listening to the community. Don't stop selling sets, but do stop selling sets 10 years to strong for the world (this includes the random sets you can win from tier 5 chests). I know this will literally double the workload for whomever makes the sets, but it'll be worth it for the benefits to the game.
 
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RaiderTr

Staff Sergeant
50 500 euros
Yea, it was lacking a zero or two :D
The luck element is always going to exist in loot-boxes, the problem with DotD is and always has been that death means you don't win anything, It's the singular event where you can win "nothing" as a prize
Exactly. All events have "luck" involved (regardless of how bad this game's RNG is coded)
But in this, you can't pick a Stage/Tier directly, and it's extremely common to hit reaper even at 1st and 2nd stages. And only useful things start from 3rd stage.

Hence I'm suggesting something like;
Loot collection!

Something like:
1st and 2nd stages were success but 3rd wasn't and u hit the reaper.

So you either bribe the 3rd stage and move on, OR you accept it to get the rewards of 1st and 2nd stages (with some higher nr of failure flowers)

That way doubling bribe costs will be justified and people with "bad luck" (or "rigged RNG") won't be as frustrated.

And/or, they let us use Bonds for bribes at the very least.
It's not a loss for InnoGames as they will get to sell more xmas bags very soon anyway.

Of course I'd rather remove the event completely but thats not happening hehe.
 

RaiderTr

Staff Sergeant
Okay.. Here we go with "final verdict" of 2020 DotD.
I mean they have a survey regarding it in the game but it's.. not well written.
We can't really convey "what's wrong with the event and what could be improved" (Well, not that they don't know "whats wrong" with it from our perspective but yea)

Anyways.. From 18 days of free cards (2 per day) I've got 6 items in total. Last year that was 1 or 2.
So, that's an improvement, math says. But is it really? 6 from.. 36. About %17.

Regarding "win chances" .. It's apparent that the values they show us are accurate: https://tw-calc.net/tombola/31_2020

But there is a catch.. Those ratios are average.. So one person might be winning all, and the other none at all.
And, one guy might be getting all Duel Weapons, other Rifles. (Like me getting 10 duel weapons before 1 single rifle/xbow on the server I used nuggets)

Besides %66.66 is "Per Stage"
Doesn't mean it's %66.66 chance to reach the 3rd, 4th or 5th, from 1st. Reality is much much less.

Sure, that's how it's designed and different from other Events but we all know Stage 1 and 2 are total garbage.
3rd is okay, and 4 and 5th where 'real deal' are and still considerable amount of "useless" items.

Thats why it would be good if we have "Loot collection"
At least you get to have a "consolation prize" or two instead of only very small amount of Flowers that are no use.

The real issue is though, we can't get any of the items from xmas. (Except a whole year later, when they most likely will be irrelevant)
Oh sure, their chests will be on Sale within Jan or Feb but only for a very high amount of Nuggets.

Now if only we could bribe via Bonds eh?


Ps. We still don't know why non-Beta servers had 18 days of Event instead of 21.
Last year was 18 too so saying "we've added 3 more days" is misleading/misinforming.
 

lulumcnoob

Staff Sergeant
Former Team Member
It's improved relative to previous years, but the main issue with the event remains - You spend nuggets, you get death, you win nothing. And that is the majority of tries because before tier 3, there's nothing worth sticking for.

I spent a lot of money to try getting the 2019 ranged duel set on a new world (not because I want to be a horrible person going around duelling shop clothes with my modern powerful set, but because I had been KO'd 3 times by players wearing one of two sets 4 years stronger than mine), but instead all I have is a 2015 duel set, which gives 0 dodge, by the way, so I can't compete in PvP until at least Christmas, and that's only if I spend even more money on a complete gamble, and literally the only reason I joined this world and spent money was to duel like the old days. So you can imagine I'm a bit frustrated at the game and the power creep and your stupid gambling fetish, and annoyed that everyone is so happy internally with the "improvements" to this virtual casino that was once a game.

I also had to spend 500 nuggets to complete the "free" set, I can now do almost all middle map jobs in the 50s.

DotD RUINS the new world experience, that's my final verdict.
But I know you'll keep cashing in on that new world tombola rush at the expense of everything.

This game should also have some gambling awareness warnings on the front page and on tombola screens: "Please gamble responsibly, set your limits." or "when the fun stops, stop."
 
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