Valentine's Day Event 2023 Sets - Feedback

[Loki]

Howdy Cowgirls & Cowboys,

as every year, during Valentine's Day Event, you will have chance to win two sets.
You, the Beta Community, are very important to us and we are always looking forward to your feedback.

Please, check the sets below and let us know of your opinion (how and what you would change).

Spoiler: Set 1

Set Item	Stats	Items	Bonus (Cumulated)	Bonus (Step by step)
		Set 1 Bonus
Hat	+0.06 Mobility (per level) (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.35 Dodging (per level) +0.35 Aiming (per level) +0.35 Shooting (per level)	1	-	-
Neck	+0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.35 Dodging (per level) +0.35 Aiming (per level) +0.35 Shooting (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	2	+0.03 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.3 Dodging (per level) +0.3 Aiming (per level) +0.3 Shooting (per level) +0.3 Appearance (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	+0.03 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.3 Dodging (per level) +0.3 Aiming (per level) +0.3 Shooting (per level) +0.3 Appearance (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles
Body	+0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.03 Charisma (per level) +0.55 Dodging (per level) +0.55 Aiming (per level) +0.45 Shooting (per level) +0.35 Appearance (per level)	3	+0.03 Mobility (per level) +0.05 Dexterity (per level) +0.03 Charisma (per level) +0.6 Dodging (per level) +0.6 Aiming (per level) +0.6 Shooting (per level) +0.6 Appearance (per level) +20% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	+0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.03 Charisma (per level) +0.3 Dodging (per level) +0.3 Aiming (per level) +0.3 Shooting (per level) +0.3 Appearance (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles
Belt	+0.07 Mobility (per level) +0.07 Dexterity (per level) +0.45 Dodging (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level) +0.45 Shooting (per level) +0.25 Appearance (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	4	+0.05 Mobility (per level) +0.07 Dexterity (per level) +0.05 Charisma (per level) +0.7 Dodging (per level) +0.7 Aiming (per level) +0.7 Shooting (per level) +0.7 Appearance (per level) +30% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed	+0.02 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.02 Charisma (per level) +0.1 Dodging (per level) +0.1 Aiming (per level) +0.1 Shooting (per level) +0.1 Appearance (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
Pants	+0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.03 Charisma (per level) +0.55 Dodging (per level) +0.55 Aiming (per level) +0.45 Shooting (per level) +0.35 Appearance (per level)	5	+0.07 Mobility (per level) +0.09 Dexterity (per level) +0.07 Charisma (per level) +0.8 Dodging (per level) +0.8 Aiming (per level) +0.8 Shooting (per level) +0.8 Appearance (per level) +40% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +20% Speed	+0.02 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.02 Charisma (per level) +0.1 Dodging (per level) +0.1 Aiming (per level) +0.1 Shooting (per level) +0.1 Appearance (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
Shoes	+0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.45 Dodging (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level) +0.45 Shooting (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	6	+0.09 Mobility (per level) +0.11 Dexterity (per level) +0.09 Charisma (per level) +0.9 Dodging (per level) +0.9 Aiming (per level) +0.9 Shooting (per level) +0.9 Appearance (per level) +50% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +30% Speed	+0.02 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.02 Charisma (per level) +0.1 Dodging (per level) +0.1 Aiming (per level) +0.1 Shooting (per level) +0.1 Appearance (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed

Spoiler: Set 2

Set Item	Stats	Items	Bonus (Cumulated)	Bonus (Step by step)
Hat	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.35 Health Points (per level) +0.55 Reflex (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level)	1	-	-
Neck	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.35 Health Points (per level) +0.55 Reflex (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	2	+0.03 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.3 Vigor (per level) +0.3 Health Points (per level) +0.3 Reflex (per level) +0.3 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	+0.03 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.3 Vigor (per level) +0.3 Health Points (per level) +0.3 Reflex (per level) +0.3 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles
Body	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.35 Vigor (per level) +0.45 Health Points (per level) +0.65 Reflex (per level) +0.6 Aiming (per level)	3	+0.03 Strength (per level) +0.03 Mobility (per level) +0.05 Dexterity (per level) +0.6 Vigor (per level) +0.6 Health Points (per level) +0.6 Reflex (per level) +0.6 Aiming (per level) +20% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	+0.03 Strength (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.03 Charisma +0.3 Vigor (per level) +0.3 Health Points (per level) +0.3 Reflex (per level) +0.3 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles
Belt	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.25 Vigor (per level) +0.45 Health Points (per level) +0.55 Reflex (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	4	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.05 Mobility (per level) +0.05 Dexterity (per level) +0.7 Vigor (per level) +0.7 Health Points (per level) +0.7 Reflex (per level) +0.7 Aiming (per level) +30% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed	+0.03 Strength (per level) +0.02 Mobility (per level) +0.1 Vigor (per level) +0.1 Health Points (per level) +0.1 Reflex (per level) +0.1 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
Pants	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.35 Vigor (per level) +0.45 Health Points (per level) +0.65 Reflex (per level) +0.6 Aiming (per level)	5	+0.09 Strength (per level) +0.07 Mobility (per level) +0.07 Dexterity (per level) +0.8 Vigor (per level) +0.8 Health Points (per level) +0.8 Reflex (per level) +0.8 Aiming (per level) +40% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +20% Speed	+0.03 Strength (per level) +0.02 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.1 Vigor (per level) +0.1 Health Points (per level) +0.1 Reflex (per level) +0.1 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
Shoes	+0.06 Strength (per level) +0.06 Mobility (per level) +0.06 Dexterity (per level) +0.45 Health Points (per level) +0.55 Reflex (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	6	+0.11 Strength (per level) +0.09 Mobility (per level) +0.09 Dexterity (per level) +0.9 Vigor (per level) +0.9 Health Points (per level) +0.9 Reflex (per level) +0.9 Aiming (per level) +50% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +30% Speed	+0.02 Strength (per level) +0.02 Mobility (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.1 Vigor (per level) +0.1 Health Points (per level) +0.1 Reflex (per level) +0.1 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
ANIMAL SET
Animal	+250% Speed +0.055 Strength (per level) +0.055 Dexterity (per level) +0.4 Health Points (per level) +0.45 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	1
Yield	+0.055 Strength (per level) +0.055 Mobility (per level) +0.4 Health Points (per level) +0.55 Reflex (per level) +10% Speed	2		+0.05 Strength (per level) +0.04 Mobility (per level) +0.045 Dexterity (per level) +0.6 Health Points (per level) +0.55 Reflex (per level) +0.6 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
WEAPONS
Range	15-26 Damage +1.05 Damage (per level) +0.045 Strength (per level) +0.045 Dexterity (per level) +0.4 Health Points (per level) +0.35 Shooting (per level) +0.4 Reflex (per level) +0.35 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	1
Melee	15-26 Damage +1.05 Damage (per level) +0.045 Strength (per level) +0.045 Mobility (per level) +0.4 Health Points (per level) +0.35 Vigor (per level) +0.4 Reflex (per level) +0.35 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	2		+0.05 Strength (per level) +0.05 Mobility (per level) +0.04 Dexterity (per level) +0.6 Health Points (per level) +0.5 Reflex (per level) +0.5 Aiming (per level) +10% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles +10% Speed
Fort	20-41 Damage +2.11 Damage (per level) +0.02 Strength (per level) +0.02 Dexterity (per level) +0.40 Health Points (per level) +0.30 Reflex (per level) +0.30 Aiming (per level) +5% Experience from jobs, duels and fort battles	3

We are looking forward to see your feedback!

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Yours sincerely,
Loki
Community Manager

 

[dublik]

First set item bonus in total:
Dodging: 2,7 per level
Shooting: 2,5 per level
Aiming: 2,7 per level
App: 0,95 per level

First set item bonus + set bonus in total:
Dodging: 3,6 per level
Shooting: 3,4 per level
Aiming: 3,6 per level
App: 1,9 per level

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Josephine item bonus in total:
Dodging: 2,4 per level
Vigor: 2,2 per level
Aiming: 2,4 per level
App: 0,7 per level

Josephine item bonus + set bonus in total:
Dodging: 3,3 per level
Vigor: 3 per level
Aiming: 3,3 per level
App: 1,3 per level

so around 10% better than josephine (if my math is correct), looks strong

 

[Uchiha Madara]

Both sets look pretty good , I would maybe add just a bit more appearance on the first set and a bit more vigor on the second set and also increase the speed % on both sets or the first set from 50% to 75%, nevertheless, good job InnoGames

 

[TadschMahal]

the first set needs some hp - not in exchange of existing skills but on top - cause u need hps if u are range skilled... especially after the level increase - DMG is too high now for the hps you would have if u are range skilled - and dont tell me to just skill HPs cause thats just dumb xD
yeah and i know that soldiers will be op if we get hp on the set but all other classes desperately need hp in duels ....

 

[JustAMoment]

Not to be that guy but the first set is already looking too strong even now, even josephine is still superior and hard to defense against it.
If you would add hp to this it would be beyond op in my opinion if anything it should be traded for other skill which i dont think is worth it in the end and in term of balance is nonsense one set to have really "all all".

But still i thought josephine aiming+dodging was already out of charts with sus duel formula.. Meh.

 

[TadschMahal]

Not to be that guy but the first set is already looking too strong even now, even josephine is still superior and hard to defense against it.
If you would add hp to this it would be beyond op in my opinion if anything it should be traded for other skill which i dont think is worth it in the end and in term of balance is nonsense one set to have really "all all".

But still i thought josephine aiming+dodging was already out of charts with sus duel formula.. Meh.

have u seen the dmg in duels from players over 150? have u seen how many hps u have if u are range skilled? the dmg is way to high now and the hps are way too low (on all classes except soldier)
hp has nothing to do with other skills which are required to hit more shots or to dodge more often or to make more dmg ect pp.
hp does not make u stronger it only gives u the chance to survive one more hit from those dmg creeps in duels ...

for a melee duelset id agree that we dont need more hp on a set cause ull get hp due to ur duel build
but range always had the hp disadvantage ... and now with the higher dmg its even worse - cause dmg increased more than hp did due to the level increase

 

[JustAMoment]

Yeah but lower hp was always weakness of ranged duellers even like 10 years ago with even free hp there would literally be none.
Ranged dueller even before was dead in 4 rounds if he got headshoted and was more like glass cannon. I dont think it changed -that- much.

Also you can use some hp ride for survivability or just use some points to hp? Esp. when this set seems to give tons of all other duel stats in general Idk.?

 

[TadschMahal]

hp was always weakness of ranged duellers even like 10 years

Ranged dueller even before was dead in 4 rounds if he got headshoted and was more like glass cannon.

strange attitude of you: range duelers were always at a disadvantage - lets not make melee and range more equal - we dont need to change smth which has been bad for like ever

weird that u just ignoring the fact of the level increase - dunno what uve done the last months ... but its been a problem with the dmg increase and the low hps ... thats just badly done - would be a shame if we just ignore that and keep on goin with more and more dmg

Also you can use some hp ride for survivability or just use some points to hp? Esp. when this set seems to give tons of all other duel stats in general Idk.?

again u dont really get the connection between missin hp and the level + dmg increase
and no i wont use a fkn hp ride cause id just play melee cause range is at a big disadvantage but u wanna just ignore that
weird takes to ignore the real problem ... just using a hp ride does not solve the problem

 

[WhyN0t]

This is overpowered. It's much harder to make reflex than toughness. Not only that you have 200+ toughness from strength, but there is Bounty Hunter's set not only a lot of toughness, but also aiming, dodging, appearance etc. If you want to make a lot of reflex, you will sacrifice all others duel skills. Colombia belt, boots, llama and saddle offer a bunch of reflex, but 0 aiming/dodging/tactics/vigor/appearance. It's very risky to play this way. I would definitely reduce the shooting in this set. And the dodging/aiming a bit. When i asked for a reflex set, you add brooks, which is USELESS.

 

[WhyN0t]

I would maybe add just a bit more appearance

It's already overpowered )
Why would you add more skills??

 

[Uchiha Madara]

It's already overpowered )
Why would you add more skills??

Why not , it's been a while since we seen a good Shooting set...

 

[TadschMahal]

No one cried bout Josephines Set .. its a 2 year old Set and now U are all crying bout the new Set which is basically Josephines but for range? Sure its better than Josephines (Not by a Lot) but If it would be worse ud cry too ... Melee is always at a Advantage - why Not give range a Chance?
I know its a prem Set but curler set is a proper resistance Set... Curler Stands a Chance against the new Set

 

[robyxx404]

I do not comment too often on the forum but when I see people who are having difficulties in accepting a good set, it drives me nuts.

You guys complain all the time about bad sets that are trash, about the new collectibles that are useless, now you complain about a good set that could be a plus for the ones who prefer range.

Nothing that InnoGames shows us appeal you at all.

Instead of complaining that is strong, just take a moment and appreciate that they finally came up with something good and hope they'll continue this series.

 

[WhyN0t]

I didn't have time to go into detail then, but I do now and I will.

Why not , it's been a while since we seen a good Shooting set...

Because it's by far the best duel set when it comes to the number of skills (and all of them are good and have synergy, not like in other cases, e.g. Brooks), plus it's on the firearm, which doesn't really have a good counter set. How do you win on defense if you're not a soldier and you increase the appearance of this set?

No one cried bout Josephines Set .. its a 2 year old Set and now U are all crying bout the new Set which is basically Josephines but for range?

Because it's not the same as josephine's, it's better. And, at the risk of repeating myself, there is no good reflex set. Yes, you can get a lot of reflex from diverse items, but you have no other dueling skills.

You guys complain all the time about bad sets that are trash, about the new collectibles that are useless, now you complain about a good set that could be a plus for the ones who prefer range.

We want good, but balanced sets. This is overpowered. Brooks is trash from all aspects. This is way too strong.

There are many reasons why a range weapon set should be at most equal to a meele set (normally it should be weaker).

• First of all, it's harder to make reflex instead of toughness. When josephine's appeared, the bounty hunter's set already existed and there were no current appearance items (jaguar guns, perry guns etc). If you're not a soldier, it's extremely hard to play with tactics, and even if you manage to make high tactics, you lose a lot of other skills. You force 400 extra tactics, you lose over 1000 skills from aiming/dodging/shooting/vigor. That's the fault of the people in charge of this game, either product manager or developer, I have no idea who, but they do an extremely bad job.
• Another reason is that all other shooting sets will become useless. Vaquero was only good in certain combinations if you wanted shooting, jaguar was situationally good if you wanted shooting and a/d. Now they will be useless. Why are you doing this? At least the jaguar was supposed to be relevant. Not to mention all the items in the tailor that were decent, now they will be useless too. Some people have upgraded them +5.
• You guys who want OP sets don't think your opponents will have them, do you? You won't be the only ones with this set, just because you saw in advance that it will be introduced And without good defense sets, I'm curious how you will defend yourself. Unless you're soldiers. Because yes, balance in this game sucks. But no one cares, otherwise lvl 250 wouldn't have been introduced without any changes to the pvp formulas.

I also want a strong range set, but not an overpowered one. Make this one like josephine's and it will be more than ok.

 

[WhyN0t]

If you add so many duel sets and items in town shops, why don't you do something which will encourage players to duel? I am lvl 310 and I barely have 5-6 peope duelable. And no one with duel set. And I do play on the most active world from my market. And I spent at least 15k bonds for mysterious potions. And I dueled 95% of the time with 10% motivation, taking care to avoid high level people. The situation is ridiculous.

 

[TadschMahal]

Because it's not the same as josephine's, it's better. And, at the risk of repeating myself, there is no good reflex set. Yes, you can get a lot of reflex from diverse items, but you have no other dueling skills.

can you please not cut my statements out of context? or when you quote me do it correctly ?

directly after:

No one cried bout Josephines Set .. its a 2 year old Set and now U are all crying bout the new Set which is basically Josephines but for range?

im saying:

Sure its better than Josephines (Not by a Lot) but If it would be worse ud cry too

you put my statement as it suits you although it goes further in my context than only what you quote from me here - disgusting way of argumentation

and obviously you don't want to understand me here either so that it fits better to your opinion
it is just like josephine's set only as a range set
1. its a valentines set just as josephines was
2. josephines was just as good when it came out ( compared to other sets we had at that time)
3. same here compared with other sets - its better than current sets so same situation as we had with josephines but no one cried 2 years ago - they all just accepted the fact that josephines set was that strong so that particular time ....

 

[WhyN0t]

Did you even read what I wrote there? I've provided plenty of explanations and arguments. There is no good enough set against firearms. When Josephine appeared, there was the bounty hunter's. Even now there is no set similar to bounty hunter's, but for firearm. And all sets with tactics are bad, they have a very low amount of skills, it will be hard to face someone with this new set. If he's good, ofc, i'm not talking about 99,9% of players who have no idea how to duel. Set with tactics are bad mainly because soldiers have an OP bonus and InnoGames refuse to nerf it for some reason, so everyone will suffer while defending, because it's too hard to make enough tactics with these bad sets. Of course, if you're online you can switch the set and probably play with t/r, but it's not fair.

 

[TadschMahal]

Did you even read what I wrote there? I've provided plenty of explanations and arguments. There is no good enough set against firearms. When Josephine appeared, there was the bounty hunter's. Even now there is no set similar to bounty hunter's, but for firearm. And all sets with tactics are bad, they have a very low amount of skills, it will be hard to face someone with this new set. If he's good, ofc, i'm not talking about 99,9% of players who have no idea how to duel. Set with tactics are bad mainly because soldiers have an OP bonus and InnoGames refuse to nerf it for some reason, so everyone will suffer while defending, because it's too hard to make enough tactics with these bad sets. Of course, if you're online you can switch the set and probably play with t/r, but it's not fair.

you dont really get that u did someting thats fkn nogo everywhere in terms of argumentation

josephines set was released before bounty hunter ....
so why not do the same here ?
first range duel set
after that reflex resistance set ....
so same case as it was with josephines
when josephines set came out u didnt know that we get bounty hunter set so basically ur argumentation is useless
so in 2020 u must have cried as much bout josphines when it came out as u do now about the new set- did u do that? - cause as mentioned it came out before u even know that we get bounty hunter ...
so again ur argumentation whith bounty hunter is useless cause we got it after....

and still we got curler set .. i know its prem but a really good resistance set even against range - so not 100% true that there is no good set....

 

[WhyN0t]

josephines set was released before bounty hunter ....

when josephines set came out u didnt know that we get bounty hunter set so basically ur argumentation is useless

so again ur argumentation whith bounty hunter is useless cause we got it after....

You are currently lying and misinforming. Bounty hunter's set appeared in 2020 at the Easter event. Josephine's appeared in 2021 at Valetines Day event. What you say here doesn't make sense because it's wrong, anyone can verify that josephine appeared AFTER Bounty hunter, and not before as you are misleading.
Proof:

You're a pathetic liar.

And everyone here seems to be biased, because they use range weapon as a main weapon and I understand the frustration, because InnoGames made too many strong melee sets ignoring range sets, I know how it feels, I do have 3 different +3 range weapons and I barely use them, I also want a strong range set, but let's be objective here. This set should be slightly nerfed to be like josephine's, but not stronger. Let's not resort to lies and false arguments as this individual (TadschMahal) does, let's be objective.

 

[TadschMahal]

jap nevermind i looked at the wrong dates my fault
has nothing to do with lying just looked at the wrong dates