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Oktoberfest 2026 Sets - Feedback

then solve that paradox...

john has nodin set, and due to be playing at time decide to not upgrade knox, which makes it keep a little bit cheaper to who wasnt playing at nodin's event... and by being cheaper some players could buy knox or even upgrade :)

then imagine another universe...

john has nodin set, and due to knox 0^ being better than noding he decides to upgrade it and never use nodin anymore, which makes knox keep little bit costly, and by being more costly less players could buy it, or even upgrade :(

now imagine that to hundreds of players...
Also we are comparing Valentine's free set which is 1/2 of the sets from that event with any other free set that is basically always worse than any auctionable set.

@Emma Swan I want to ask you something. Was there anytime a winner set that was BIS for a very long time? Cuz this game is exactly the same for so many years and yet everyone and everytime is playing the events and spending money on this Winner sets dare i say they are spending now more than ever before so why are you complaining. The winner set is not something you pay UPFRONT. You are paying for whatever it is in that event and at the end of the event whoever spent the most gets to keep a set that will be a bit better than other sets for a certain time. And EXP wise and other important stats from the Winner sets they are still BIS. Even with the introduction of Western nugget set it was over 2 years from the Turquoise weapon set that it was replaced by Western. We are still long way away to getting a new Western Nugger set.
 
Exactly,

Nowadays, people keep using the Hans Steyrer as a Speed set instead of Therese, Bat Masterson....

We should make something to keep Maximilian like this - make it STRONGER - because people will skip it to buy Austin in Christmas' sale.
exactly, austin 0^ is basicaly same as maximilian... so maximilian expect life is 3 months, no one will keep maximilian or keep using it when next auctionable building set come, meanwhile last nugget building ride set is from 2022, actualy some that have austin upgraded might skip that event, cuz the effort would lead to another set with no use at all... and those that still use hans choose to keeping using it to give or sell the auctionable options ones because see no advantage at all to substitute it... most to sell it to who it needs it (started play after hans came), like i said previously about knox not being better than nodin... meanwhile...

holy free sets...

Born Dead: With better options (pre existing ones) or with literal not usefull things on it
Was Surpassed: With better options (that came after)
Breathing Through Devices: Usefull in very specific cases or the better options are way too costly to some users
Still Usefull: The best of its purpose (only losing to something upgraded/auctionable)
Goat: The best of its purpose

Patrick Henry: Was Surpassed
Hans Steyrer: Still Usefull
Black Heart: Was Surpassed
Sehoy: Was Surpassed
Blue Thunder: Still Usefull
Brito: Breathing Through Devices
Hunter: Still Usefull
Red Death: Was Surpassed
Nodin: Still Useful
James: Born Dead
Cornelia: Breathing Through Devices
Geronimo: Breathing Through Devices
Xochi: Breathing Through Devices
Bandit in love: Goat
Unknown bandit: Born Dead
Armistead: Goat
Maximilian: Breathing Through Devices < it not even launch yet xD
 
then solve that paradox...

john has nodin set, and due to be playing at time decide to not upgrade knox, which makes it keep a little bit cheaper to who wasnt playing at nodin's event... and by being cheaper some players could buy knox or even upgrade :)

then imagine another universe...

john has nodin set, and due to knox 0^ being better than noding he decides to upgrade it and never use nodin anymore, which makes knox keep little bit costly, and by being more costly less players could buy it, or even upgrade :(

now imagine that to hundreds of players...
I get what you are saying. When free set will be better than 2 years old set, its fine. But when it replaces one year old tombola set, thats weird especially when free set goes with strentgh to main set upgrated on 1. By introducing strong free sets as Nodin, Svyiaty etc, main sets got stronger, nuggets as well, but winner set not quite much, thats my problem. Now all 4 categories are kinda squeezed together and you need to look hard to find difference, which forces you to give up. Free sets were there to help players start, for collectors, to use part of it for better combinations or give chance non nugget and unlucky players or late beginners to get along.

I will just add, that these very close bonuses cause why there are plenty of multies during the christmas. Players wait, upgrade gear on 2-3-4 some go even to extreme level 5 and they are good to go for years. This is why there must be an order. If you have noticable gap between all 4 sets, people will decide. In no situation you can have Free se similar or same as tombola set, tombola set close to nuget set and nugget set to winner set. Why? because the only difference, visibly, you can see by comparing free set to winner set and thats wrong. That percentage gap should have been between each category. If main set gives you 100, free sould 50-75, nugget 125-150, winner 200+.

Also, simple question for InnoGames management, why should players spend money on winner set,, when they can spend 50x less, buy nugget items isntead, even upgrade it and be more then fine? There is no motivation anymore to compete. This sys tem is set to be lazy, buy with one click instead of invest time.
 
@Loki will there be another update for the sets or thats it ? I just noticed the event started on Beta but without an official announcement
 
Also, simple question for InnoGames management, why should players spend money on winner set,, when they can spend 50x less, buy nugget items isntead, even upgrade it and be more then fine? There is no motivation anymore to compete. This sys tem is set to be lazy, buy with one click instead of invest time.
You know why? Because the sales are what makes money to InnoGames and they saw that. And that is exactly the reason why Winner sets are not better than Nugget sets. Because everytime there is a winner it means there is 1 less customer paying at the next sale. That's why a Winner set is just another temporary Nugget set that will make the Winner to also spend on the new nugget set. As you can see from the last Winner events the only stats they cared to make decently strong are the EXP which every one will want that and will spend on it and the other bonuses will be replaced on the next sale.
Reading your previous comment about Winner sets being close to Nugget sets made it clear that this is done intentionally and i wish you good luck on trying to change that because InnoGames won't let you lower their wallet value. And trust me no matter how upset you are there is always atleast 2 people on the populated servers that will fight for that Winner set and will spend lots of money for a tiny fraction of being 1% better just to have to spend money again in the next couple of months for something 1% better than that Winner set.
https://forum.the-west.net/index.php?threads/make-christmas-event-infinite.63149/ Have a read here and you will clearly see that what Uchiha pointed out is that Innogames clearly just wants to make money and doesnt care about having sets being able to be used for a long time.
 
I don't know why you think a free set will be better than an auctionable set. Clearly this church set was released just so this year new worlds can have a decent church set which they can use but still not replacing the previous one. And the reason for the Speed set not being free is because on a new world more people will spend money on the Nugget ride being a speed set and not a church set. Everything was done just to make more money not to make people happy.
If they would care about us or want us to have something better they would have swapped the sets around but that won't make them more money.
 
Congratulations to everyone involved, great job @innogames @Loki
That's how you deal with consumers and build a brilliant future.
Congratulations.
Once again, thank you for asking for feedback and listening to us, we are all excited for the best event of the year.

(ironically)
 
I don't know why you think a free set will be better than an auctionable set. Clearly this church set was released just so this year new worlds can have a decent church set which they can use but still not replacing the previous one. And the reason for the Speed set not being free is because on a new world more people will spend money on the Nugget ride being a speed set and not a church set.
as if they dont have other nugget rides to buy already, oh we have... 3... so instead of buying a church ride set and a speed ride set, will only buy a speed ride set, if they really want to help new worlds (they shouldnt actualy bring new worlds), they should do something else instead of disrupting the main events.
 
i asked gpt to read the 9 pages of feedback and give a summary and toughts, so here it is:



The most well-founded suggestions

I would single out five.

1. Transform Set 1 into a specialized Product Drop/Luck set.
It’s simple, resolves the lack of identity, and offers direct comparisons to the Fortune Teller or Xochi sets.

2. Swap the Free and Speed sets.
Not because Construction is bad, but because there are too many recent alternatives for Speed, whereas there is room for a relevant premium/auctionable Construction set.

3. Reduce Set 3's HP and compensate with skills.
Instead of destroying the set, preserve its Shooting/Dodge/Tactics identity without repeating the extreme stats of the Guarding Bandit set. One proposal suggested a cap of roughly 1 HP per total level, with compensation in Tactics, Shooting, Aiming, and Dodging (something that has already happened).

4. Winner Weapons with higher average damage + competitive XP.
This is likely the cleanest suggestion technically, as it enhances the set's identity without requiring absurd power creep.

5. Create a real hierarchy among reward types.
Tombola set → Specialized, usable Free set → Upgraded Tombola set → Clearly premium Nugget set → Truly exceptional Winner set. This is a more structural solution to the problem of sets becoming obsolete within a few months.
 
i asked gpt to read the 9 pages of feedback and give a summary and toughts, so here it is:



The most well-founded suggestions

I would single out five.

1. Transform Set 1 into a specialized Product Drop/Luck set.
It’s simple, resolves the lack of identity, and offers direct comparisons to the Fortune Teller or Xochi sets.

2. Swap the Free and Speed sets.
Not because Construction is bad, but because there are too many recent alternatives for Speed, whereas there is room for a relevant premium/auctionable Construction set.

3. Reduce Set 3's HP and compensate with skills.
Instead of destroying the set, preserve its Shooting/Dodge/Tactics identity without repeating the extreme stats of the Guarding Bandit set. One proposal suggested a cap of roughly 1 HP per total level, with compensation in Tactics, Shooting, Aiming, and Dodging (something that has already happened).

4. Winner Weapons with higher average damage + competitive XP.
This is likely the cleanest suggestion technically, as it enhances the set's identity without requiring absurd power creep.

5. Create a real hierarchy among reward types.
Tombola set → Specialized, usable Free set → Upgraded Tombola set → Clearly premium Nugget set → Truly exceptional Winner set. This is a more structural solution to the problem of sets becoming obsolete within a few months.
By the final pages, the frustration had shifted from mere balancing issues to a lack of trust in the feedback process itself. Players were literally suggesting that if their feedback wasn't going to be used, there was no point in even opening the thread.

Page 9 concludes in exactly this atmosphere: the event kicks off in the Beta, and comments appear suggesting that the next feedback thread should perhaps be left empty, alongside calls for no one to hit the "Like" button.

There is also a more cynical take among some participants: the choices were allegedly driven by a deliberate strategy to maintain recurring sales—for instance, the idea that "Winner Sets" shouldn't remain too far superior to "Nugget Sets," as that would reduce the winner's need to purchase future gear. This is player opinion and speculation—not something proven by the thread itself—so I wouldn't treat it as fact.

My final assessment of the event, based solely on the forum discussion:

The "Free Set" is based on a good concept but suffers from questionable placement/reward value and compares poorly to the "Austin" set.

"Set 1" is viewed by the community as a genuine design failure.

"Set 2" isn't bad; it’s simply unnecessary.

"Set 3" started out controversial, sparked the most serious balancing debate, and apparently ended up in a much more acceptable state following the adjustments.

The "Winner Set" faces a broader issue regarding reward philosophy: if an item is extremely rare, expensive, or hard-earned, it needs a feature that remains special for more than just a few months—and when it comes to weapons, the community seems to regard "Damage" as the surest way to achieve this.

However, the greatest damage caused by this thread may not be to the sets themselves, but to the sense that the consensus reached over nine pages didn't carry enough weight in the final changes. That is why the conversation in the last few pages shifts away from the numbers and toward the question of whether participating in future feedback sessions is even worth it.
 
I don't think we should change anything. If we're spending money on this game, it's because we want to. If we want to change something, let's switch games. Let's accept everything that comes from InnoGames; they are experts at what they do.
 
9 pages of disappointment and disservice where we were completely ignored
Are you going to do something
@Loki ?
There's still time
I know you are mad like most of us but don't take it out on Loki, he isn't going to do anything because he can't do anything, he can only delivers (good and bad) news and whatever decision (mostly bad) the higher-ups (@innogames) take after sending the feedback we share in the threads, whether @innogames takes a good or bad decision based on said feedback is out of his control.
 
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