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Independence Day 2019 discussion

RaiderTr

Private First Class
On a side note "Free" Damager sets are nowhere near weak compared to Tanks'
i.e Murrieta is way stronger than Zapata is. And Phoebe has great Attack boost.

All one has to do is, wearing Phoebe set and being in a Sector with someone who has Murrieta/Union set. (Cause "Sector damage bonus" bs)
Won't make much of a difference than having a Union of your own.

And what do "Free" Tank sets have against that? While even the newest Nugget one doesn't have much to offer.


Yea, I know Damage formula has a big effect on all this, but I don't see InnoGames revising it.
So what's the alternative other than better Tank Sets??
 
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Heavy and metal

Reservist
I do believe you are seriously misreading raiders feelings about tombolas.
or union officer fiesta will just happen all over again but with tanks.
No, I don't think I am.


Isn't that exactly what you are asking for? A set for tanks to counter union. You're literally bringing arguments to your own arguments. What sets are you planning on making ''usable''? Because no set at the moment in the game can come close to countering union set.

I do believe you are seriously misreading raiders feelings about tombolas. We are all on the same side here. Obviously he's aware they have been nothing but a detriment to the The West
No one is on the same side with anyone; you are asking for a tank set to counter union. Obviously that means that the supposed tank set will be a nugget set, since InnoGames will never release a tombola set that will be as strong as a nugget set. So with that in mind, what happens to the players who can't afford it? They'll get screwed over again as they have been since 2012. So don't say that we're all on the same side when you are asking for a nugget set who will only benefit those who are able to afford it. I don't think he's aware pf anything tbh, in fact I think he's quite clueless. The one thing he's aware of is how to demand for benefits for those who are able to pay for them.

[QUOTE="So while I hate tombolas more than I hate nubs arguing with the wrong person about a misperception of their feelings towards the death of the West, we're stuck with them for the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE]

<<<This ''nub'' has no ''misconceptions'' about his feelings towards the death of The West; I know damn well who to blame for it but random njubs asking for nugget sets (while completing ignoring the fact that free to play players will be at an even more disadvantage) isn't helping a damn thing.

P.S. You've been in the game longer than me and most people here; you participate in more battles and more duels than me... it's just so disappointing to see that you've succumbed to asking for nugget sets
 

lulumcnoob

Sergeant
Former Team Member
Well you've lost my interest in debating with you if you think I want nugget sets. I wouldn't pay 50 euros on a dying game even for an amazing tank set. Raider and I are town/alliance leaders, and for the last month or so he's been pushing hard to get appropriate sets in the hands of new players. We're both chronically aware of our and the game as a whole's reliance on non-nugget players to fill fort battles. And everything we do is in full consideration of our entire playerbase.

Ive purposefully been on the "weaker" side with less nuggets in every server I've battled on. I've been preaching caution about the premium gap since before 2012, even as a team member on beta, but got completely ignored by game management.

Ive tried doing my part for years, but here we are in 2019: fort battles are a complete clown fiesta of damagers, and no way for tanks or advents to compete against leadership, other than level 4+ zapa gear and pure hp, which isn't a feesable method to use for most.

In multiple other threads about fort battles (we have gone very off topic here but every thread is now a fort thread until etriel does something or gets replaced), I've asked for set rebalancing, formula changes, and someone who knows the game mechanics to be the one making the sets. And ive never had so much of an indication that anything has been passed onto management. If etriel doesn't get her act together, we are definitely in the final year of the West, and I'll take a few last decent battles where i can actually enjoy playing, leading and use tanks for taking shots on towers instead of being forced to bail immediately, over being forced to quit the game because I'm nothing but a public service to leadershits.
 

RaiderTr

Private First Class
They just made a new Nugget set anyway. Not because anyone wanted, they were going to anyway.
Is it REALLY promising? No.

This new "Free" set is? The answer stays the same.


I will just Quote my previous message:
On a side note "Free" Damager sets are nowhere near weak compared to Tanks'
i.e Murrieta is way stronger than Zapata is. And Phoebe has great Attack boost.

All one has to do is, wearing Phoebe set and being in a Sector with someone who has Murrieta/Union set. (Cause "Sector damage bonus" bs)
Won't make much of a difference than having a Union of your own.

And what do "Free" Tank sets have against that? While even the newest Nugget one doesn't have much to offer.

Yea, I know Damage formula has a big effect on all this, but I don't see InnoGames revising it.
So what's the alternative other than better Tank Sets??
 

Heavy and metal

Reservist
Raider and I are town/alliance leaders.
Wow really? I mean, I can maybe understand you as a leader...but raider?

and for the last month or so he's been pushing hard to get appropriate sets in the hands of new players. We're both chronically aware of our and the game as a whole's reliance on non-nugget players to fill fort battles. And everything we do is in full consideration of our entire playerbase..
Where does getting gear for new players fall here? The topic was that you're asking for nugget sets without considering people who can't afford it. If everything you did was in the consideration of the entire player base, then neither you or raider would be here asking for nugget sets.

Ive purposefully been on the "weaker" side with less nuggets in every server I've battled on. I've been preaching caution about the premium gap since before 2012, even as a team member on beta, but got completely ignored by game management. .
So have other people

In multiple other threads about fort battles (we have gone very off topic here but every thread is now a fort thread until etriel does something or gets replaced), I've asked for set rebalancing, formula changes, and someone who knows the game mechanics to be the one making the sets. And ive never had so much of an indication that anything has been passed onto management. If etriel doesn't get her act together, we are definitely in the final year of the West, and I'll take a few last decent battles where i can actually enjoy playing, leading and use tanks for taking shots on towers instead of being forced to bail immediately, over being forced to quit the game because I'm nothing but a public service to leadershits.
Ok...so? More than half of the ideas given by players in the forums are absolute crap that will never get implemented. In fact, the very rare postings with good ideas will never get implemented either since it probably doesn't result in InnoGames making a profit. So whatever you're jabbering about above makes no sense.

But guess what? In the end, a nugget tank set will come out so raider and you can have your fill. Whatever I have whined about in this thread (free to play players being ignored) is what will keep on happening.

But really, good luck to you and raider on leading that ''town/alliance'' , I'm sure you're doing a great job. Now back to my church building , which is what I have been doing for almost 2 years now since I can't compete in any pwp parts of this game.
 

lulumcnoob

Sergeant
Former Team Member
Where does getting gear for new players fall here? The topic was that you're asking for nugget sets without considering people who can't afford it. If everything you did was in the consideration of the entire player base, then neither you or raider would be here asking for nugget sets.
Only way to compete with nugget sets like union officer is to have a large playerbase of well-geared fighters, that's why I mentioned it. Don't need to be premium p2w nugget sets.
In fact, the very rare postings with good ideas will never get implemented either since it probably doesn't result in InnoGames making a profit
Yes, this is a problem.
Whatever I have whined about in this thread (free to play players being ignored) is what will keep on happening.
But really, good luck to you and raider on leading that ''town/alliance'' , I'm sure you're doing a great job. Now back to my church building , which is what I have been doing for almost 2 years now since I can't compete in any pwp parts of this game.
I don't think free to play players were ever really considered, but they're absolutely vital to the life of a world. They're the kind of player raider tries to convince to try fort battles, and gear up with alliance donations, from our largely free-to-play world, organise battle buffs, all that kinda stuff. You're the type of experienced player that active fort alliances would love to recruit and help with whatever you need, but I don't blame anyone for not wanting to PvP unless they can pay to win.

Wondering how people claim this set is awful. As a HP set it nearly has same hiding/setting traps/dodging/leadership bonusses as Emiliano Zapata.
I did say I wanted to see how it compared in game to Adams, and Zapata I guess, at first glance it just looks like a glass wall set, crit magnet, but I'll also play around with skills :D
 

RaiderTr

Private First Class
Wondering how people claim this set is awful. As a HP set it nearly has same hiding/setting traps/dodging/leadership bonusses as Emiliano Zapata.
Not awful but a glass wall set, critic magnet, like Lulu said. Not helping with the insane damages, just feeding them more.
Btw even 200 resistance nugget set looks like a joke against Livingston's horse set.
Definitely looks like a joke but it's not THAT bad.


Surely both Free & Nugget Damager sets are far superior to these 2.
And both those can be merged into one in the same sector, so..
 
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The-Iceman

Staff Sergeant
There are 22 Items in the Rare Category so getting a Noble Chest is a 22 to 1 chance
I have received 4 Noble Chests in a row with a Black coat inside
Don't tell me this Event isn't fixed, as the odds of that happening is over a million to 1
We have to play by the rules but the devs do not appear to
Then support wonder why players are leaving in droves, but do nothing to aleviate the problem