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Feedback duel improvements

Wurstkuchen

Reservist
At the moment, I skill only blue and dodge with level 79. With clothes, it is like this:

Dodge: 330
Aim: 133
Shoot: 116
App & Tactic: 30

I do not loose one singe duell today, most of the time win 0:xxx

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BUT:
This type of character skills 266 skill points in a skill which only helps in duells and fort battles (not very well on fort battles!).
You will never complete a quest beyond level 50.
I do not think any player will play that kind of duell char in the future.
 
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-Thor-

Guest
Not very good your skills,i have test this kind of build and it didn't work well..trust me,with good players,you will loose
 

Creature

Corporal
way too much dodging, you never gona dodge surely more than 6-7 times, and you have no skills for other important things
 

Wurstkuchen

Reservist
Creatrue, thats what I said:
"You will never complete a quest beyond level 50.
I do not think any player will play that kind of duell char in the future."

It is just a test, not a proof of my unbelivable godlike skilling-skills.

I am not sure what "good players" are. I opened duell screen, sorted by duell level and attacked the highest players available.

But most of the time, I dodge 8 times.
I even have no golden colt, but I would have won most of the duells with a pillow.
 

Jakkals

Guest
My duel skills is specced to the max. Yet I still keep on losing to lower levels , worst weapons. Current build: 250 Shooting
90 Dodging
90 Reflex
74 Aiming
39 Appearance* (perhaps the problem)
19 HP

I dueled John Dunbar now twice. First by him counter by me. He is a level 60 wearing belle's starr derringer . Im a level 76 wearing a golden colt. Thats a 78 SP + 16 AP diff from the start. Discounting that I have probably more sp's and ap's from quests. Now can you explain zero hits in both fights. Perhaps if he is 300 dodging. But still. The impression that I get is that player's bought a lot of sp's and ap's. Just take a look at highest rankings in particular skills and I'm not talking about zet etc. thats why i think your tests is futile as you never can predict all the fights. Build upon build fail. If he is in fact 300 dodging will that mean that a player is unbeatable with that build. That seems wrong in so many ways.
 

Jakkals

Guest
just an update. I have changed my stances now twice and have KO'd John Dunbar now for 2 consecutive days.

Well I'm still not convinced that our feedback has any value. For the following reasons
1. He could have specced away from dueling
2. Its blind testing unless 2 players cooperate (equally matched) trying out different builds knowing the others build it will remain worthless.

If someone close to my skill level want to try it contact me in game alomogordo.
 

harryculero

Reservist
Yep its been confirmed...Melee resistance duelers have no existence in this game. so with that ruined i may just change my character to pure worker and let all the duelers win as they do now with my melee/resistance build......not too happy with the new changes.:(


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there are ways to beat melee/resist duelers in the .net worlds, but this here is ridiculous. But that's just like my opinion man, so all the melee/resist builds in the other .net world will be pretty much useless now, which wouldn't be fair.
IMO i would just leave the dueling alone. just my 2 centavo. cheers
 

torinogranata

Reservist
Bad change in my opinion.
Resistance follow maths's rule, while dodging is random..
Appearance and Tactics are only sure values for a dodge-duelist
Furthermore with high values of aim and dodging it will be impossibile for a duelist makes jobs that it also an important side of game
 
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tribgrep

Corporal
Bad change in my opinion.
Resistance follow maths's rule, while dodging is random..
Appearance and Tactics are only sure values for a dodge-duelist
Furthermore with high values of aim and dodging it will be impossibile for a duelist makes jobs that it also an important side of game
Dodging is a math's rule too, we just don't know it yet ;)
Every game has it's algorythm.
 

Darth Maul 2

Guest
What?

Wait.. you´re not bringing in the new dueling system to the real worlds now when you reseted everything back to default in beta???

Please tell what´s going on. (not that I have anything against the old or new duel systems I just wanna know)
 

pwyll

Guest
Wait.. you´re not bringing in the new dueling system to the real worlds now when you reseted everything back to default in beta???

Please tell what´s going on. (not that I have anything against the old or new duel systems I just wanna know)
so am I, want to know, what is going on
hour ago with 150 in vigor hits in the size of 60% of the sword damage
and now with 165 in vigor hits in the size of 29% of the sword damage (against same player)

which duelling system will be valid in normal words?
 

Wurstkuchen

Reservist
On german World 1, the new system is online.

I think there is a better test than here :-)


But InnoGames, would you mind to give a warning when you disable the free-reset availability.
Please turn it on again for one day or give every player 25 nuggets for free.
All people in my town are very bad skilled now and we are punished for testing the new system instead of just ignoring the reset button.
 

tribgrep

Corporal
On german World 1, the new system is online.

I think there is a better test than here :-)


But InnoGames, would you mind to give a warning when you disable the free-reset availability.
Please turn it on again for one day or give every player 25 nuggets for free.
All people in my town are very bad skilled now and we are punished for testing the new system instead of just ignoring the reset button.
You have been warned on several occasions Wurstkuchen.
Every time you log in you are being warned. On the forum it was quite clear this could happen and even through the mailing system (if you hadn't turned that off) you have been warned.
I oppose the resolution proposed: giving free nuggets or turning it on one more day. Please don't complain about things you have been warned for on several occasions.

By the way I too have a crappy build. Yet I play the game and earn money and use the shaman (as it should be).
 

TheMoonWoman

Guest
You have been warned on several occasions Wurstkuchen.
Every time you log in you are being warned. On the forum it was quite clear this could happen and even through the mailing system (if you hadn't turned that off) you have been warned.
I oppose the resolution proposed: giving free nuggets or turning it on one more day. Please don't complain about things you have been warned for on several occasions.

By the way I too have a crappy build. Yet I play the game and earn money and use the shaman (as it should be).
So show please WHERE(?) we have been warned :blink:
 

AnaDoro

Guest
The warning is here: http://public.beta.the-west.net/

Public Beta
(On 05/19/09 at 11:31 AM)
WARNING: This is a public beta of The-West.
Please keep in mind that technical data is
subject to change without warning. This
includes full resets.

This means: character and account data
can be deleted at any time!
 

TheMoonWoman

Guest
So we all got to pay 25 nuggets to find another skill now?
Sorry... but in my eyes it´s not correctly for not warning!

YEAH that´s really the best! :p
Now the most of players got a crazy skill,
but it´s a good way to make money with nuggets!?
 

Wurstkuchen

Reservist
For sure we all know that it would happen some time, but I did not find the friendly and easy warning:
"Hey betaplayers, next Monday we will disable this feature. So please be sure to switch back to the skilling you want to play with."

But OK, it seems that the standard bla-bla-warning means that you all will be happy what ever InnoGames makes.
Sorry to bother you with my suggestions about a nice, friendly way for InnoGames to make us happy.

(edit: I am sure that InnoGames makes this NOT for getting money from betatesters. They are not evil, but sometimes unmindful.)
 
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ElRaver

Private First Class
The Warning in the Home Page it's like a contract. When you log in, you agree that some changes can occur without warning. And it's not hard to get 25 golden nuggets, c'mon.
 

TheMoonWoman

Guest
Warning was coming to say... you all can free reskill now,
but WHY didn´t they warn that they stopp this now ????
That´s NOT customer friendly to do this on this way.

If they take now 25 nuggets from everybody...
8441 Players x 25 Nuggets = 211 025 Nuggets

You know what I mean?
 

Gelo123

Guest
Do you think everybody want to make resskill? I don't want make resskill. It is only yours problems. Good admins, good:lol::up:

Thanks that free resskils end and we can play more normaly:) If you want resskill put money on it:P:p