Changelog 2.227 - Discussion

[PVP is DEAD]

In the following print its a small sample of a nightly basis on the fort battles.

You have the following levels by order of the image:
158 (GOOD SET)
160 (VERY GOOD SET)
212 (SUPER GREAT ITEMS)
176 (VERY GOOD SET)
161 (GOOD SET)
183 (VERY GOOD SET)
193 (SUPER GOOD SET)
151 (GOOD SET)

What I said and I will paraphrase so you can understand better: level matters but lower level players can still keep up with the higher levels, but less consistently. Which is completely normal to happen in any game, scenario or whatever. A better player/person/whatever will always perform better more consistently than the average joe, but that doesn't mean the average joe doesn't perform from time to time till he gets better. But there is a reason he is an average joe -> lack of hours gameplay/lack of effort/skill gap/less money to invest/less time to invest, it is what it is.

The average damage per hit is this every night like this (not the same players obviously). What I said stands by proving with numbers.
180-190 can compete with 210-220 levels on any given night, are the going to win more than lose? Of course not, will they win sometimes? Of course they will. I have lost duels to lvl 140 players by misplaying sets and not aiming properly on his dodge places, I have done way less ff damange than adventures at the same level as I am with same build/set, but will it happen on a regular basis? Of course not.

Again what I said and I will quote: "I am currently at 183 and when in fortbattles vs 200+ players with far better items and sets than I do I can often keep up with them in damage"

That is a fact. volkom1 is one of the best PT server players and has the best possible sets every battle, by a large margin, is he more consistent than I am? Yes, can I keep up with him or even beat him sometimes with 30 levels difference and huge set gap? Yes.

I think this summarizes the game, want to be more consistent on bigger damage and best results? Stop crying and level up. Level is only an issue if you are AFK and dont farm any exp at all, eventually you will get more ats/habs and per level on your sets, till them work hard for it because the other players did it aswell.

I dont care about fort battles, lets try duels witch level 150 vs 200 and 200 lvl has +1000 points more from upgraded items!!!! NOT SETS!!! AND MY MAIN POINT WAS YOUR FUNNY XP GAIN EXPLANATION!!!! I ask you again what game do you play?

 

[alexstraszaPT]

I dont care about fort battles, lets try duels witch level 150 vs 200 and 200 lvl has +1000 points more from upgraded items!!!! NOT SETS!!! AND MY MAIN POINT WAS YOUR FUNNY XP GAIN EXPLANATION!!!! I ask you again what game do you play?

You are the typical kid who can just scream and bring nothing to the table.

On a 593 church I get around 200k a day just by building + 20k fortbattle. I get 220k exp every day just by pressing the work button 22 times and move to fortbattle a day, Thats 35 days without bonus exp to get one level at 183-184. Guys that heavily farm can get up to 400k/500k exp a day easily without much effort (because they use scripts). I don't understand why is it so hard for you to find ways to level and duel like you want so much.

 

[PVP is DEAD]

You are the typical kid who can just scream and bring nothing to the table.

On a 593 church I get around 200k a day just by building + 20k fortbattle. I get 220k exp every day just by pressing the work button 22 times and move to fortbattle a day, Thats 35 days without bonus exp to get one level at 183-184. Guys that heavily farm can get up to 400k/500k exp a day easily without much effort (because they use scripts). I don't understand why is it so hard for you to find ways to level and duel like you want so much.

You are only one kiddo here, im elvel 230+ and i know what is to have thousands points + in duel and nobody wants to compare or attack you, you are taling nothing what gives any sense. 500k+ xp a day is nothing absolutely ridiculous what you wrote here so funny.
Start thinking what you are writing because i think you play another game still draming about some another game and Not The West kiddo.

 

[alexstraszaPT]

You know you got free rent on someone's head when they have to flex.

I have seen players go from 220 to 227 in less than 120 days, (mid 227 btw) thats 17 days per level at the amount of EXP you are crying about. I seriously don't understand your point. To get to 180 is easy as hell, from then its grind and time. I have been duelled and also attacked by lower and higher levels, won and lost, seriously, what is your point?

The EXP is cumulative which means the 500k exp for you is the same for me althought for you to get higher level is harder because you already higher, but it makes it harder for me to keep up because of your daily bonus, which completely makes sense, you can't just lose your YEARS of advantage because you are now a bit AFK and some dude is tryharding for 2 months.

Please, elaborate what solutions you would give to fix the PVP you are talking about because till now all I saw was bark bark and some flex on script abuse.

 

[Criminus]

You are talking about over 1.6kk exp a day from 220-227 if you said under 120 days.

 

[alexstraszaPT]

You are talking about over 1.6kk exp a day from 220-227 if you said under 120 days.

The hall of fame states the guy has reached 220 at 7/4/2024 and he is 227 by yesterday/today. Thats almost 4 months, less than 120 days. Unless The-West hall of fame and rank are lying, I am not lying.

 

[Emma Swan]

XP potions from events probably helped.

 

[alexstraszaPT]

XP potions from events probably helped.

I have no idea.
I will track EXP from 4/5 different players today and see how much they farmed and will see how much is common for high tier item/players to farm on one day.

Althought I am still waiting for PVP is Dead feedback on what could we do to improve duels beside formula transparency.

 

[the legit]

I have no idea.
I will track EXP from 4/5 different players today and see how much they farmed and will see how much is common for high tier item/players to farm on one day.

Althought I am still waiting for PVP is Dead feedback on what could we do to improve duels beside formula transparency.

On our server, 5 out of the top 10 use the farming script daily.
No one (in our server) regularly farms 500k xp a day without the use of scripts (if you ignore daily login xp obvsly).

 

[alexstraszaPT]

On our server, 5 out of the top 10 use the farming script daily.
No one (in our server) regularly farms 500k xp a day without the use of scripts (if you ignore daily login xp obvsly).

With or without script the exp appears somehow. The point here is for PVP is Dead 500k exp is nothing and assuming by that comment, I will assume he scripts aswell.

The discussion here is that duels are not fair for lower levels, which obviously is true if they duel with unproper build and huge level gap, obviously if you are 140 and duel 210 player, well you are probably getting smoked but thats the point of the game isn't it? To level up and get stronger?

 

[I AM INEVITABLE]

Level differences are more unfair in duels rather than ff i think. Some easy solutions:

For duelling reduce the max level range to maybe 10% of max duel level. Also let us use the rollback potion every month. And remove the 450lvl requirement from the other potion.

For fort fight add level restrictions as possibility to choose when digging a fort.

 

[PVP is DEAD]

Level differences are more unfair in duels rather than ff i think. Some easy solutions:

For duelling reduce the max level range to maybe 10% of max duel level. Also let us use the rollback potion every month. And remove the 450lvl requirement from the other potion.

For fort fight add level restrictions as possibility to choose when digging a fort.

Much easier solution for this is delete duel level and maximalize it to 250 as max level and cap the skills in duels to level 150 even if you are level 250.... is fair but the reality check is InnoGames games development systeam what will give you a punch and ignore everything what can make game more popular and playable.

 

[I AM INEVITABLE]

Much easier solution for this is delete duel level and maximalize it to 250 as max level and cap the skills in duels to level 150 even if you are level 250.... is fair but the reality check is InnoGames games development systeam what will give you a punch and ignore everything what can make game more popular and playable.

I agree with you but this is not happening you got to suggest something that makes InnoGames profit. Having the potion every 1-3 months instead of 6 is good profit and makes everyone happy. Another option could be to bring back zero motivation duelling like in the past but this isnt happening too for that reason